Parenting The Socially Phobic and Avoidant Adult
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An Attempt at Magic

Zachary was completely verbally shut down, speaking only to his father and sister and not even communicating verbally with his mother. His parents describe an exceptional treatment experience in which he made remarkable progress and began talking within only five sessions despite his severe selective mutism.
Episode Overview

What This Episode Is About

After receiving a question from a parent searching for a quick remedy for selective mutism, Jonathan Berent discusses why the condition generally cannot be expected to disappear through one “magic” intervention. Selective mutism is presented as a serious form of social anxiety that can develop into broader avoidance and dependence when left untreated. The episode then examines an unusually rapid case involving “Zachary,” a child who spoke only to his father and sister, did not speak to his mother, and shut down around virtually everyone else. At school he remained silent and had difficulty participating in basic activities. His mother, Delia, describes learning a different way to communicate with and respond to her son. Within only a handful of sessions, Zachary began speaking to her. Although his unusually fast progress is described as exceptional, the case demonstrates the potential impact of focused parental intervention.
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Parents, concerned adults, and professionals supporting adult children who struggle with social anxiety and avoidance.

Episode Details:

6
 min, 
5
 sec
December 8, 2025
Full Transcript

This episode's transcript:

[00:00:00]
I have to read what may be the best email I ever got. And it’s from Simpsonville, South Carolina. Question for Jonathan. My daughter has been diagnosed with selective mutism and I was wondering if there were any quick remedies or one particular event that can take place on my behalf to help break her of her anxiety. Ah, magic. We seek magic. I have mixed reaction when I hear this. On one, I have to have a sense of humor because it’s hard to open the magic store. On the other, there’s a very serious thing that people are not understanding what selective mutism is all about. Selective mutism is not a cold that simply goes away. Selective mutism is a severe form of social anxiety which is a precursor to the reality that the person is going to be more susceptible to social anxiety and social avoidance and over-dependence as life goes on.
[00:01:01]
It’s a serious thing and obviously there are many different degrees of the problem. But in order to try to deliver as much magic, at least as close to magic as can possibly be done, we have on the phone my patient who did not speak last week because she’s calling from Miami. Her name is Delia. And the hurricane wiped out the phone system last week. So I want you to listen very carefully because she has a great story to Delia who’s going to describe where her child was, where he is now, how long it took to achieve the results, and what she did. You ready, Delia? Yes, I’m here. Okay, Delia, can you tell the listeners, and you have about 100 people on the line, can you tell the listeners where your son was at when we first started talking?
[00:01:53]
When we first started talking, when we first met, Zachary was a selective mute child who wouldn’t talk to anyone except to his sister, to his father, and to his stepfather. He wouldn’t talk to me or to anyone else. He was always very quiet and lonely. He would avoid people around him. He would put his head down or hide behind my back if someone said hi or asked him a question. He would look away if another child of his age would invite him to play. Also, if I have any visitors in my house, he would go to a corner of the house and stay there until the visitors are gone.
[00:02:50]
Zachary wouldn’t do anything by himself. And, Delia, what was going on in school? He wouldn’t talk to anyone. He would just stay in the seat looking at the teacher, but he wouldn’t work. He wouldn’t do anything. Okay, so I imagine this situation caused quite a bit of concern for you. Yes, it makes me sad. You did a very good job in describing where he was. Where is he at now? Oh, forget it. Zachary is now, I would say, when we started our session, two and a half months ago, and by the third session, Seth was already talking to me. This is when I used the word magic.
[00:03:41]
It was like magic. The way the doctor, you have told me to talk to him, it’s like he broke the glass door that had Zach trapped behind it. The system woke him up. I saw through his eyes like a window of his brain got open and let Zach’s voice out. You’re very descriptive tonight. I have to say that Delia has a lot of courage because she’s faced this problem directly. Delia is Spanish, and in all honesty, in some of the telephone work, I’ve had a hard time understanding some of what she said, but she was so motivated that we were able to compensate for this language barrier. She got the basic facts down and faced the issues directly. What she just said was less than a handful of therapy sessions over the course of about two months. The selective mutism has begun to be reversed.
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Meet the Speaker

Jonathan Berent, LCSW

Psychotherapist & Author — Social Anxiety and Performance Anxiety

Jonathan Berent, L.C.S.W., A.C.S.W., is a psychotherapist who has been practicing since 1978. He has created the Berent Treatment Method for Social Anxiety, which is the result of his clinical work with thousands of individuals of all ages with social anxiety since 1978. He has extensive clinical experience with avoidance and dependance personality disorder, and is the author of Work Makes Me Nervous: Overcome Anxiety and Build the Confidence to Succeed (Wiley, 2010), Beyond Shyness: How to Conquer Social Anxieties (Simon & Schuster, 1992), and Social Anxiety: The Untold Story, which is a training course for mental health professionals in using the Berent Method to treat social anxiety. (Andrew Kukes Foundation, 2011).
SocialAnxiety.com, has served millions of unique visitors as a multimedia clearinghouse for patients, parents, and fellow mental health professionals in search of articles, educational materials, and books on social anxiety and related subjects. His library of clinical interviews appears to be the most documented clinical success with social anxiety.

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Frequently Asked Questions

Common Questions About Social Anxiety Treatment

There can be many reasons. The primary one is that parents were probably not involved in the treatment process and an empowering strategy was not learned. Treatment may have reduced distress without sufficiently addressing avoidance, dependence, family dynamics, emotional patterns, or real-world functioning. Parents should consider not only whether the adult child feels better, but whether treatment is producing meaningful changes in work, education, relationships, independence, and everyday life.

The Berent Method. Effective treatment needs to address specific factors preventing the adult child from functioning independently. These may include social anxiety, avoidance, fear of failure, perfectionism, depression, emotional regulation, relationships, dependence, and family dynamics. Treatment should ultimately produce meaningful changes in everyday functioning, as well as reducing anxiety symptoms. It is common that therapists do not know how to, and will not work with, parents of adults over eighteen years of age.

Yes. The clinical interviews at www.social-anxiety.com are evidence of this. Long-standing social anxiety and avoidance can become deeply ingrained, but meaningful change is still possible. It takes hard work. When adult children are phobic and avoidant they lack initiative for their mental health. Parents need to learn a therapeutic strategy to compensate for this. Treatment needs to address the individual’s specific patterns of anxiety, avoidance, emotional regulation, dependence, relationships, and functioning rather than assuming that the problem is permanent because it began in childhood.

Because if they do not learn and implement an empowering game plan the pathology of avoidance-dependence can be permanent. Parents can play an important role because their responses may influence the adult child’s patterns of dependence and avoidance. Learning when to support, when to establish boundaries, when to stop rescuing, and how to encourage greater responsibility is an important part of changing the overall family dynamic.

Yes. Parents naturally want to protect their children from emotional pain, but repeatedly accommodating avoidance can unintentionally strengthen it. Providing excessive reassurance, solving every problem, or allowing an adult child to withdraw from responsibilities without a plan for change may reinforce dependence. Learning how to encourage healthy independence is often an important part of the recovery process.

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