Parenting The Socially Phobic and Avoidant Adult
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Depression, Social Inhibition, & Medication Dependence Resolve: "My Quietness in Social Situations Made People Feel Weird"

Vicki describes how social anxiety increasingly affected her daily life. She avoided social situations, particularly those requiring her to enter alone, continually made excuses to avoid uncomfortable experiences, struggled within her relationship, and became depressed before beginning the process of healing and change.
Episode Overview

What This Episode Is About

“Vicki” describes years of depression, severe discomfort in social situations, and a pattern of becoming so quiet around others that both she and the people around her felt uncomfortable. She frequently believed others were judging or criticizing her, which intensified her self-consciousness and social inhibition. By the time she entered treatment, difficulties in her relationship and her overall emotional state had left her feeling extremely unhappy. Previous treatment had focused primarily on depression without resolving the underlying social anxiety. Vicki discusses learning to accept herself rather than continually evaluating herself through other people’s reactions. Although she still sometimes experiences initial nervousness before entering social situations, the anxiety no longer controls the experience once she becomes engaged. Most importantly, she describes reaching a point where she genuinely likes and appreciates who she is without feeling that she must become a “social butterfly.”
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Parents, concerned adults, and professionals supporting adult children who struggle with social anxiety and avoidance.

Episode Details:

7
 min, 
44
 sec
July 29, 2024
Full Transcript

This episode's transcript:

[00:00:00]
I’m talking to Vicki. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for telling us you’re sharing your story with us. Thank you. When you first came into the program, could you describe what was going on with you and why you wanted help? Um, I was very depressed. Um, I was always very uncomfortable in social situations. I mean, extremely uncomfortable. Um, I just, I was very, whenever I was in a social situation, I would be very quiet and I think because I was so quiet, I was very uncomfortable about that and I felt people were, um, I guess judging me and criticizing me. And I know it made people feel weird that I was so quiet because sometimes people would question me being so quiet.
[00:01:02]
But, and it just made me feel bad and I guess I just had reached the point before I came to the program that I just felt really bad and I was in a relationship and things were, were bad, um, in the relationship. I had, um, issues with, I guess confronting, um, anger and… Could you describe some of the specific symptoms of the anxiety that you used to experience? Um, I would, I’d feel very nervous and sweaty and then I would say if I was going out somewhere, especially if I had to walk into some place by myself, um, it just would make me so nervous that I would avoid going to places, you know.
[00:01:57]
Just even like the initial walking into a place was a lot for me, so I used to like avoid. If I was going with someone, it made it easier, but there were times I was invited to go somewhere and I’d have to go by myself, so I would like come up with an excuse not to show up because I just, just the nervousness and… Okay, so I’m understanding that you were experiencing this problem with social anxiety. You were avoiding a lot of situations. When you would go into a situation that was uncomfortable, you would be experiencing some pretty intense thoughts like are people judging you? Right. And things like that. Were you experiencing physical symptoms?
[00:02:48]
Um, just the very nervous feeling and, and I was sweaty. Like if I would speak, I’d like break out in a sweat. I mean, I, nobody really noticed it. I, it’s under my clothes. And, and you, you had been, before you came to the program, if I remember correctly, you had been on medicine, right? Yes. What were you taking? I was on Paxil. Okay, and what did you think about the Paxil? Um, it took, I felt it took the edge off. Like it helped with the depression more than anything and, um, I guess it helped me get through things, you know, like, because when, I guess when I was depressed, I, it just, I didn’t want to do anything, but when the Paxil took that edge off the depression, it just, I don’t know, I guess it made it easier for me to like, you know, do things.
[00:03:45]
Okay, so with the, this overall problem of anxiety and depression and, uh, substantial social avoidance, doing one of my famous 1 to 10, uh, scales, at that time that you came into the program and you came into the program on the medicine, we didn’t give it to you, it was beforehand, the severity of that overall problem on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the most, how high was it? It was 10. How long had this problem been going on? Um, as far back as I can remember. I mean, I’ve always been uncomfortable. Always. I mean, I don’t remember ever not being uncomfortable. And you had been involved in therapy before our program, is that correct? Yes. How effective or not effective was it?
[00:04:37]
I, because I guess I didn’t know, um, what my problem was and, and I guess the therapists didn’t either because we never worked on that, like, on my problem with, we just kind of worked on me while I was depressed and never got anywhere. And I wouldn’t stay very long, a couple of months, and I never felt like I was, um, getting anywhere. Okay. Now, where would you say that you are currently at with your issues with the problem? Um, I’m, one, because I think, um, what do you mean, like, a scale? Any way you want to put it. Okay. I’m like, I’m totally, I don’t think I’ve, but I still feel that initial nervousness whenever I’m going somewhere, but it, I mean, the minute I walk in, it’s like, I forget about it.
[00:05:37]
You know, like, I’m just like, it’s, I forget that I’m nervous or I just walk in and I’m just like, I’m fine. You said something, uh, important in our graduation session. You said something like, correct me if I say anything wrong, uh, for the first time in my life, I really like who I am and I’m appreciating myself. Yes. Absolutely. Can you elaborate for a moment? Well, I’ve always, I’m, I’ve, I finally accepted myself for, you know, how I am, who I am. Um, I’m, I mean, I haven’t become a social butterfly. I’m more social, but I’m still quiet and I’m okay with that. And I actually, like, I like who I am.
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Meet the Speaker

Jonathan Berent, LCSW

Psychotherapist & Author — Social Anxiety and Performance Anxiety

Jonathan Berent, L.C.S.W., A.C.S.W., is a psychotherapist who has been practicing since 1978. He has created the Berent Treatment Method for Social Anxiety, which is the result of his clinical work with thousands of individuals of all ages with social anxiety since 1978. He has extensive clinical experience with avoidance and dependance personality disorder, and is the author of Work Makes Me Nervous: Overcome Anxiety and Build the Confidence to Succeed (Wiley, 2010), Beyond Shyness: How to Conquer Social Anxieties (Simon & Schuster, 1992), and Social Anxiety: The Untold Story, which is a training course for mental health professionals in using the Berent Method to treat social anxiety. (Andrew Kukes Foundation, 2011).
SocialAnxiety.com, has served millions of unique visitors as a multimedia clearinghouse for patients, parents, and fellow mental health professionals in search of articles, educational materials, and books on social anxiety and related subjects. His library of clinical interviews appears to be the most documented clinical success with social anxiety.

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Frequently Asked Questions

Common Questions About Social Anxiety Treatment

Yes. Long-term social anxiety and avoidance can contribute to isolation, lost opportunities, low self-esteem, frustration, and hopelessness. Depression is commonly co-morbid and can then further reduce motivation and activity, creating another cycle in which anxiety, avoidance, isolation, and depressed mood reinforce one another.

Probably not. The purpose of psych-pharmacology is to create neuroplasticity. This needs to be combined with behavioral, psychological, emotional and self- regulation strategies. Medication may reduce symptoms for some people and should be managed by an appropriate medical professional, but medication alone does not necessarily change established patterns of avoidance, dependence, isolation, or family accommodation.

Social anxiety disorder is more than shyness or nervousness. It is a condition in which the fear of being judged, embarrassed, or negatively evaluated becomes so intense that it interferes with everyday life. Adults with social anxiety often avoid conversations, relationships, employment opportunities, public situations, and other activities that involve interpersonal interaction. When left untreated, this pattern of avoidance can significantly affect independence, confidence, and overall quality of life.

Yes. The clinical interviews at www.social-anxiety.com are evidence of this. Long-standing social anxiety and avoidance can become deeply ingrained, but meaningful change is still possible. It takes hard work. When adult children are phobic and avoidant they lack initiative for their mental health. Parents need to learn a therapeutic strategy to compensate for this. Treatment needs to address the individual’s specific patterns of anxiety, avoidance, emotional regulation, dependence, relationships, and functioning rather than assuming that the problem is permanent because it began in childhood.

There can be many reasons. The primary one is that parents were probably not involved in the treatment process and an empowering strategy was not learned. Treatment may have reduced distress without sufficiently addressing avoidance, dependence, family dynamics, emotional patterns, or real-world functioning. Parents should consider not only whether the adult child feels better, but whether treatment is producing meaningful changes in work, education, relationships, independence, and everyday life.

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